Empover citezens to solve their own problems. Don't see it as a threat for virkamiehet (civil servants?). Don't confuse it with cutting down government operations.
@gravitas: try to find a way to implement market dependent metrics for these things. And when I speak of markets, I mean that the government should actually have some processes in place to measure success, so we wouldn't waste another 30M euros on some ventures such as the electronic ID-card messup. Like you know, it's trial and error in many ways, constant analysis and improvement.
Please, don't let the government formalize things too much. If the policy is too strict and detailed, it will never keep up with the constant change, thus creating useless, "old", innovation (which will not be innovation any longer).
Oh, and do take IT security/privacy restrictions into consideration. That's causing major hindrance to anything new and networked...
The government should protect it's citizens from the various collection socities trying to tax people for empty CDs, storage, broadband just because the media might be used for commercial content. And DRM should be outlawed...
To iterate - as Frank Johansson points out, innovation tends to happen at intersections of different things: professions, expertises, age group expertise levels... in other words innovation is fueled by openness, transparency and passion, not committees or boardrooms. The chiefs need to get out (t)here on the field.
They should at times look at the kind of areas/societies that have a history of great innovation in recent history... Generally, you need heterogeneous regions with strong grassroots political and cultural activity levels to create places where innovation thrives.
Innovation is not a hermetic process.
So, for instance, Turku with its current approach to the politics of culture has absolutely no hope...
@samin, wrt. your earlier comment: Wouldn't it be enough to implement a matrix organization to come up with those intersections leading to innovations? :-)
I have to disagree slightly with @peter: blanket "tax" has worked rather well in the past, and in fact some of the more vocal "future of music" thinkers are saying that universal blanket tax is the best way to go.
From the point of those who create culture products, making everything 100% free is not an option. In my personal experience, I've had around 80% of my music income from what the geeks like to call a "tax on media". Cutting that out sounds like a bad idea from the musicians perspective, doesn't it?
if innovation happens in intersection of "regimes" how come welfare state, indoubtedly one of the greatest and once very fitting social innovation happened most succesfully in the most homogenous of all societies - finland and other nordic countries?
Finland is a homogenous society in genetics only. When the welfare state was built, we had a lot of different tensions between workers and capitalists, cities and rural towns etc, and I think these tensions helped shape the welfare state because you had to incorporate different views. Besides, in many ways the idea of the welfare state was borrowed from Sweden.
True, we didn't have quite the class society of, say, the UK, but we were hardly a homogenous society.
If the blanket tax was the only non-direct income source for copyright owners, then collection societies would be unnecessary in their current form. The "collection" part comes from going out and collecting money from use, wherever it happens.
I tend to think of the universal blanket tax as one of the more likely future scenarios. I don't know if it is the government's job to help figure out how copyrighted content creation can still be a business in such a scenario.
Collecting societies are going to be looking very hard for a new ecological niche in the near future... i think there's a good chance of some Duchamp-level dadism in the air:-)
@kungfiske: sure it was copied fro sweden mostly and sweden copied from patrons such as ford, however, i must disagree in the heterogeniety of finland in the 40-60's. the postwar finland was largely poor, mostly uneducated, massively rural, agriculture bidden, but also greatly culturally homogenised by the wars and the schools, and the rurality and powerty. surely it was the renewals in school system and criminal laws and then the whole welfare state roll out that followed these and reallyreally homogenized us.
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More transparency to government processes, please.
12 months ago by pe3
Empover citezens to solve their own problems. Don't see it as a threat for virkamiehet (civil servants?). Don't confuse it with cutting down government operations.
12 months ago by pe3
Check, thanks for that. Anything else that comes to mind?
12 months ago by Gravitas
Are you discussing existing/new innovations or enablers of innovation? (I hate the word innovation... ;)
12 months ago by spushnik
@gravitas: try to find a way to implement market dependent metrics for these things. And when I speak of markets, I mean that the government should actually have some processes in place to measure success, so we wouldn't waste another 30M euros on some ventures such as the electronic ID-card messup. Like you know, it's trial and error in many ways, constant analysis and improvement.
12 months ago by vilpponen
Please, don't let the government formalize things too much. If the policy is too strict and detailed, it will never keep up with the constant change, thus creating useless, "old", innovation (which will not be innovation any longer).
Oh, and do take IT security/privacy restrictions into consideration. That's causing major hindrance to anything new and networked...
12 months ago by jsaarikko
Adding to my previous, @vilpponen just presented much better control tool - Use market dependent metrics instread of formal and strict policy.
Great!
12 months ago by jsaarikko
The government should protect it's citizens from the various collection socities trying to tax people for empty CDs, storage, broadband just because the media might be used for commercial content. And DRM should be outlawed...
12 months ago by peter
Please point out them (once again) how well bureacracy and innovation get along :)
12 months ago by samin
Good one Peter! I'm piling up this feedback for all the people here to see. There are about 16 experts and ranking officials here.
12 months ago by Gravitas
To iterate - as Frank Johansson points out, innovation tends to happen at intersections of different things: professions, expertises, age group expertise levels... in other words innovation is fueled by openness, transparency and passion, not committees or boardrooms. The chiefs need to get out (t)here on the field.
12 months ago by samin
LOL @viilee ;)
12 months ago by Gravitas
"sir, do you have a government permit to innovate?"
12 months ago by kungfiske
They should at times look at the kind of areas/societies that have a history of great innovation in recent history... Generally, you need heterogeneous regions with strong grassroots political and cultural activity levels to create places where innovation thrives.
Innovation is not a hermetic process.
So, for instance, Turku with its current approach to the politics of culture has absolutely no hope...
12 months ago by tolonen
"sir, do you have a government permit to innovate?"
Also, innovation needs to be confined to a sanctioned location...
12 months ago by tolonen
@tolonen By a "sanctioned location", did you mean the various business parks alongside Helsinki-Espoo ringways?
12 months ago by samin
Why, yes... Anyplace with a name that starts with INNO.
12 months ago by tolonen
:-)
12 months ago by nieminensundell
@samin, wrt. your earlier comment: Wouldn't it be enough to implement a matrix organization to come up with those intersections leading to innovations? :-)
12 months ago by touqo
Why not make it a reservation? It could be a kind of final solution for innovation...
12 months ago by tolonen
Der Endlösung das Innovatismus! Ach!!
12 months ago by tolonen
@touqo - welll, that would seem like an obvious choice to some. Can't say, really :)
12 months ago by samin
The crowd here is now talking about copyright and CC, interesting stuff.
12 months ago by Gravitas
Why, yes... Anyplace with a name that starts with INNO
@tolonen or even TECHNO-, you know, to emphasize the significance of the state of technical provenes
12 months ago by samin
@touqo - also, one might think just engineers and researchers are just not enough intersectioning. Just might.
12 months ago by samin
I have to disagree slightly with @peter: blanket "tax" has worked rather well in the past, and in fact some of the more vocal "future of music" thinkers are saying that universal blanket tax is the best way to go.
From the point of those who create culture products, making everything 100% free is not an option. In my personal experience, I've had around 80% of my music income from what the geeks like to call a "tax on media". Cutting that out sounds like a bad idea from the musicians perspective, doesn't it?
12 months ago by spushnik
if innovation happens in intersection of "regimes" how come welfare state, indoubtedly one of the greatest and once very fitting social innovation happened most succesfully in the most homogenous of all societies - finland and other nordic countries?
12 months ago by mokka
What about combining a blanket tax with dismantling the national monopolies of collecting societies?
I dont know... Could be a mess.
12 months ago by tolonen
Finland is a homogenous society in genetics only. When the welfare state was built, we had a lot of different tensions between workers and capitalists, cities and rural towns etc, and I think these tensions helped shape the welfare state because you had to incorporate different views. Besides, in many ways the idea of the welfare state was borrowed from Sweden.
True, we didn't have quite the class society of, say, the UK, but we were hardly a homogenous society.
12 months ago by kungfiske
If the blanket tax was the only non-direct income source for copyright owners, then collection societies would be unnecessary in their current form. The "collection" part comes from going out and collecting money from use, wherever it happens.
I tend to think of the universal blanket tax as one of the more likely future scenarios. I don't know if it is the government's job to help figure out how copyrighted content creation can still be a business in such a scenario.
12 months ago by spushnik
Collecting societies are going to be looking very hard for a new ecological niche in the near future... i think there's a good chance of some Duchamp-level dadism in the air:-)
12 months ago by tolonen
@kungfiske: sure it was copied fro sweden mostly and sweden copied from patrons such as ford, however, i must disagree in the heterogeniety of finland in the 40-60's. the postwar finland was largely poor, mostly uneducated, massively rural, agriculture bidden, but also greatly culturally homogenised by the wars and the schools, and the rurality and powerty. surely it was the renewals in school system and criminal laws and then the whole welfare state roll out that followed these and reallyreally homogenized us.
12 months ago by mokka